The Truth About FDNY’s Removal Of NYC Vollies From “The System”

Posted by David at 19 January, 2010, 9:00 am

This is post #1 in a series. You can read post #2 here.

The alternate title of this post was “The Post When All The Vollies Cry Foul And Want My Head On A Spike“. Why would that be the case? Because the truth can hurt.

There was recently an article in the New York Post regarding the decision of the FDNY to remove NYC Volunteer EMS Agencies from their computer aided dispatch (CAD) system. I caught word of the article through an e-mail and then there was a post on it from Firegeezer.

So let’s look at what the claims being made are and what the truth actually is:

The Fire Department has booted the city’s volunteer ambulance companies from its emergency 911 system, The Post has learned. – NY Post Article

Truthfulness of Statement: False

The vollies have not been booted from the NYC 911 system, because they were never IN the NYC 911 system. Volunteer agencies have their own “hotline” phone numbers, have their own dispatchers, and their own run numbering systems. They are separate entities that do have a mutual aid agreement with the NYC 911 system lead agency, FDNY.

“They call us all the time. If not through their system, they call us on the mutual-aid radio system or just call us directly,” said Gunning, who also heads the Glendale Volunteer crew. – NY Post Article

Truthfulness of Statement: True and False

During the days of NYC*EMS, they maintained the Mutual Aid Radio System (MARS). This system gave each volunteer agency a radio designation based on their borough of service, so a 93 unit was from Brooklyn and a 94 unit was from Queens. It’s true that back in the days of NYC*EMS the vollies were called over the radio, but ever since FDNY inherited this system they did absolutely nothing more with it and THIS is what FDNY is actually ceasing operations of.

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“If it weren’t for us, patient wait times would often be much longer. We get called in when the FDNY doesn’t have an ambulance to send. This change comes at the patient’s expense,” said Alan Wolfe, president of the Forest Hills Volunteer Corps. – NY Post Article

Truthfulness of Statement: True and False

The truth is that the NYC vollies generally respond to calls they hear over the NYPD radio or the FDNY BEMS radio. Yes, the truth is the volunteers “buff” or “jump” calls that are dialed into 911. Their response however does NOT mean there is no available unit. In fact, more often than not, the assigned unit responding continues in even though a vollie unit has decided to respond.

It is true that more often than not the volunteers WILL get to the scene faster than the assigned unit. This is for a number of reasons:

  • The volunteers are traditionally very knowledgeable of their specific geographic location
  • The volunteers are often already in the area whereas the assigned unit may be coming from an out of the area post or hospital
  • The volunteers have a burning desire to get there first… which can be both good and bad

As for the expense of the patient… financially speaking volunteers do the job for free, but the vast majority of the agencies will still bill the patient’s insurance.

The medics who ride the units all have the same qualifications and certifications that any other medic units have. Many of the volunteers, in fact, are off-duty FDNY medics. – Firegeezer

Truthfulness of Statement: More False than True

First let’s clarify the term “medic” here is used very loosely. Out of the 35 (and I question that number too) reported agencies in NYC, I can think of only 3 or 4 that are providing ALS. Everyone else is a BLS agency using BLS providers.

Additionally, while the state certifications are the same, many of the volunteers are NOT employed with FDNY. In fact for that matter I think FDNY employees are the minority of the volunteers. I believe there is a far greater number of EMS professionals employed by both hospitals and privates volunteering their time than the municipal workers.

The volunteer squads are not only saving the city a lot of money, but they are seriously reducing response times in many instances. – Firegeezer

Truthfulness of Statement: False

The volunteer squads do not save the city ANY money. It is true the squads do not receive tax funding, but their existence does not decrease the budget in any one place. As for the response times, technically since the vollies are not in the system that measures response times (and haven’t been) they are in fact statistically not reducing any response times either.

In Conclusion… To Be Continued

In conclusion, there is no change to the status of the NYC volunteer agencies, because they are in all reality irrelevant to the emergency response in New York City.

But does it have to be that way? Are the NYC volunteers destined to close their doors and be a footnote in the history of emergency care in the city?

I say no. It doesn’t have to be that way. In my next post I’m going to explain the current volunteer system and what is wrong with it, and in my third post I will explain how (in my opinion) the volunteers can fix it.

Full Disclosure: I am a member of the Forest Hills Volunteer Ambulance Corps in Forest Hills, Queens and have been a member of that Corps since 1994

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  • scott milller
    I think with the up comming fdny cut backs with ems and fire units beaing taken out of service in july this year closing engines and ladders and shuttering ems units . What i would like to see is both fdny and fdnyems work more with the vollies in the city. i think this would work out great.But that just my opinion because they could really help the city out by providing more help .Why does the fdny and fdny ems not just take them over
  • David,
    Thank you very much for being one of the first to verbalize the truth. I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote and I think you will elicit more negative responses and backlash than positive responses. The general public needs to understand that the rescinding of that one Ops Order, created by FDNY in 2001, is solely a FDNY operational decision. To challenge it or say otherwise is paramount to telling a business how to run their business.
    Thank you for providing a clear perspective.
  • Dave, I fully expect to be criticized and be on the receiving end of undeserved backlash because, like I said at the beginning of the post, the truth can hurt. It is nice to know that I am not alone in my assessment of the situation, I thank you for taking the time to comment, and invite you back to share your perspective on the next two posts where I lay out what I think the problems facing the Vollies are with some quick solutions and what I consider the ideal long term plan.
  • I'm looking forward to your assessment and remediation suggestions.
  • First of all, you yourself once ran a volunteer agency, so for you to belittle us is a disgrace. Secondly for you to say the things you have is utter ignorance, yes we do not have computer in our rigs to get assigned calls thru a 911 dispatcher, but I myself have been given calls by FDNY, in fact a few months ago, Chief Peruggia himself gave my unit a Lt. from a fire scene to take to a hospital. For someone who has never worked 911 in their lives you seem to ACT as though you are the most knowledgeable person to weigh in on this. I for one can't wait to see what other mindless babble you feel is the truth about the NYC volunteer ambulance system and what is wrong with it.
  • Thom, while I expect this knee-jerk reaction, I think you need to actually re-read what I wrote. There is nothing in there be-littling. It's truthful in every degree.

    Additionally, you've proven my point by your anecdote of Chief Peruggia "giving" you a Lt. from a fire scene... FDNY is not dispatching the vollies on calls. You are showing up to the scene, unassigned, and getting patients.

    Finally, while I don't feel the need to answer to your personal attacks, please feel free to ask your President/Service Director to confirm that I "never worked 911 in their lives". I have a universal shield number with the city and I own the distinction of opening up Parkway Hospital's 51D in August 2000 and closing it down in May 2005.

    Please try to keep the comments truthful.
  • Good, I was wondering what your take on this would be. I've watched the NYC vollie system with interest and have always been curious as to how it operated. Keep up the posts, I'm happy you're weighing in.
  • Thanks Chris. Since I owe my career in EMS to the vollie system, it is something I want to see succeed. Unfortunately I don't think that success will happen if they continue to be stagnant and hide behind half-truths and inaccuracies when the world around them changes while they refuse to do so.
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